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ttun recruiting (all classes)

I think that is part of the reason they are better this last 2 seasons. Their players are mostly 3 stars and low 4 stars.

Their players end up staying all 4 or 5 years, where NFL factories like OSU are constantly rotating through important positions each season.
I think Jim Tressel coached Ohio State teams are an apt comparison regarding the absolute peak that these Harbaugh-coached teams can hope for. Regular dominance over bad teams while regularly getting outplayed against elite competition.

Now, that’s the absolute ceiling for them and I’d argue their recruiting (relatively speaking) isn’t even at the level Tressel managed to reach, particularly with top tier skill position players, so I think it’s realistic to expect they’ll do slightly worse than that most years.

In other words, they are who they’ve been for the last 30+ years… an 8-4 or 9-3 team that sometimes does slightly better than that.
 
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I think that is part of the reason they are better this last 2 seasons. Their players are mostly 3 stars and low 4 stars.

Their players end up staying all 4 or 5 years, where NFL factories like OSU are constantly rotating through important positions each season.
That has been Penn St's recipe in recent years. They get really good teams every 3-4 years that are heavily RS Senior laden.....then go back to being average for a few years until the RS Senior heavy class shows up again.
 
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That has been Penn St's recipe in recent years. They get really good teams every 3-4 years that are heavily RS Senior laden.....then go back to being average for a few years until the RS Senior heavy class shows up again.
PSU has actually recruited pretty well under Franklin, which makes it difficult to understand why they have been just a decent team under him. PSU recruits better than TTUN.
 
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Poking around 247 this morning, it looks like they're gonna close out their 2023 class without a top 100 commitment in the 247 composite. This is the second time under Harbaugh they'll do so (2018), and the third time overall (2011) going back to 2000.

Ohio State has not had any year without a top 100 commitment. I'd have to double check, but I don't think Ohio State went a year without a top 50 commitment.
 
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MICHIGAN HAVING SUCCESS RECRUITING OHIO, BUT MOSTLY WITH PLAYERS OHIO STATE DIDN’T OFFER​

There's a difference between getting beat out by Michigan for an in-state prospect and the Wolverines just getting a commitment in Ohio State's home state.

When 2024 four-star Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati) running back Jordan Marshall (No. 7 running back, No. 91 overall) committed to Michigan over Ohio State, among others, on March 21, it sent shockwaves across college football recruiting. It's not too often that a top-100 prospect that is a top target for the Buckeyes commits to their archrival. In fact, it's the first time since Dymonte Thomas in 2013 that a top-100 player from Ohio committed to the Wolverines.

Losing a talent like Marshall to any school, let alone that school, certainly hurts Ohio State, especially when it happens so rarely. It put the pressure on Tony Alford to key in on another premier running back in the 2024 class.

That's exactly what Alford and Ohio State did this past weekend. After visiting Columbus this past weekend, James Peoples committed to the Buckeyes Sunday night, giving OSU the premier running back in the class – one who is actually ranked higher (No. 5 running back, No. 69 overall) than Marshall – that it had been in search of all along.

With Marshall and three other Ohio prospects already committed to Michigan in the 2024 class, it's clear that Jim Harbaugh and his coaching staff are taking advantage of the Wolverines beating the Buckeyes in each of the last two years. Other than Marshall, however, Michigan’s recent spate of commitments from the Buckeye State has come from players who Ohio State wasn’t actively recruiting.

Since Harbaugh took over as Michigan's head coach in 2015, the Wolverines have received 22 commitments from Ohio players. Of those nearly two dozen players, only two had Ohio State offers.

MICHIGAN COMMITS FROM OHIO IN JIM HARBAUGH ERA
YEAR PLAYER 247SPORTS COMPOSITE RANK OSU OFFER?
2015 S Tyree Kinnel No. 11 S (No. 189 overall) No
OT Nolan Ulizio No. 141 OT (NR) No
K Andrew David NR (NR)` No
2016 P Will Hart NR (NR) No
2017 DT James Hudson No. 13 DT (No. 231 overall) No
OT Joel Honigford No. 46 OT (No. 441 overall) No
P Brad Robbins No. 16 P (NR) No
2019 OG Nolan Rumler No. 10 OT (No. 174 overall) Yes
TE Erick All No. 13 TE (No. 346 overall) No
OG Zach Carpenter No. 33 OG (No. 554 overall) No
WDE Gabe Newburg No. 51 WDE (No. 773 overall) No
WR Quintel Kent No. 116 WR (No. 958 overall) No
S Joey Velazquez No. 88 S (NR) No
2021 S Rod Moore No. 40 S (No. 506 overall) No
2023 CB Cameron Calhoun N. 41 S (No. 395 overall) No
ATH Jason Hewlett No. 32 ATH (No. 525 overall) No
CB D'Juan Walker No. 73 CB (No. 704 overall) No
LB Breeon Ishmail No. 91 LB (NR) No
2024 RB Jordan Marshall No. 7 RB (No. 91 overall) Yes
IOL Luke Hamilton No. 21 IOL (No. 340 overall) No
DL Ted Hammond No. 40 DL (No. 391 overall) No
OT Ben Roebuck No. 31 OT (No. 457 overall) No
 
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MICHIGAN HAVING SUCCESS RECRUITING OHIO, BUT MOSTLY WITH PLAYERS OHIO STATE DIDN’T OFFER​

There's a difference between getting beat out by Michigan for an in-state prospect and the Wolverines just getting a commitment in Ohio State's home state.

When 2024 four-star Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati) running back Jordan Marshall (No. 7 running back, No. 91 overall) committed to Michigan over Ohio State, among others, on March 21, it sent shockwaves across college football recruiting. It's not too often that a top-100 prospect that is a top target for the Buckeyes commits to their archrival. In fact, it's the first time since Dymonte Thomas in 2013 that a top-100 player from Ohio committed to the Wolverines.

Losing a talent like Marshall to any school, let alone that school, certainly hurts Ohio State, especially when it happens so rarely. It put the pressure on Tony Alford to key in on another premier running back in the 2024 class.

That's exactly what Alford and Ohio State did this past weekend. After visiting Columbus this past weekend, James Peoples committed to the Buckeyes Sunday night, giving OSU the premier running back in the class – one who is actually ranked higher (No. 5 running back, No. 69 overall) than Marshall – that it had been in search of all along.

With Marshall and three other Ohio prospects already committed to Michigan in the 2024 class, it's clear that Jim Harbaugh and his coaching staff are taking advantage of the Wolverines beating the Buckeyes in each of the last two years. Other than Marshall, however, Michigan’s recent spate of commitments from the Buckeye State has come from players who Ohio State wasn’t actively recruiting.

Since Harbaugh took over as Michigan's head coach in 2015, the Wolverines have received 22 commitments from Ohio players. Of those nearly two dozen players, only two had Ohio State offers.

MICHIGAN COMMITS FROM OHIO IN JIM HARBAUGH ERA
YEAR PLAYER 247SPORTS COMPOSITE RANK OSU OFFER?
2015 S Tyree Kinnel No. 11 S (No. 189 overall) No
OT Nolan Ulizio No. 141 OT (NR) No
K Andrew David NR (NR)` No
2016 P Will Hart NR (NR) No
2017 DT James Hudson No. 13 DT (No. 231 overall) No
OT Joel Honigford No. 46 OT (No. 441 overall) No
P Brad Robbins No. 16 P (NR) No
2019 OG Nolan Rumler No. 10 OT (No. 174 overall) Yes
TE Erick All No. 13 TE (No. 346 overall) No
OG Zach Carpenter No. 33 OG (No. 554 overall) No
WDE Gabe Newburg No. 51 WDE (No. 773 overall) No
WR Quintel Kent No. 116 WR (No. 958 overall) No
S Joey Velazquez No. 88 S (NR) No
2021 S Rod Moore No. 40 S (No. 506 overall) No
2023 CB Cameron Calhoun N. 41 S (No. 395 overall) No
ATH Jason Hewlett No. 32 ATH (No. 525 overall) No
CB D'Juan Walker No. 73 CB (No. 704 overall) No
LB Breeon Ishmail No. 91 LB (NR) No
2024 RB Jordan Marshall No. 7 RB (No. 91 overall) Yes
IOL Luke Hamilton No. 21 IOL (No. 340 overall) No
DL Ted Hammond No. 40 DL (No. 391 overall) No
OT Ben Roebuck No. 31 OT (No. 457 overall) No

Fax and evidints!
 
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