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Regarding the BOOSTER issue(s)...


Where's YOUR Gold Pants?
This is the PROBLEM I have with the whole situation and the NCAA (which in my heart felt opinion is a crooked organization!)

Here's an example.

Student A is a scholar on a "full ride".

Student B is a high profile FB player for the University with a "full ride" as well.

Both student A AND B are being rewarded for their skills; one academically and the other athletically.

Here's the problem...(someone PLEASE prove me wrong! I doubt you can!)

I can go give Student A a $100 bill and not worry about a thing. No ramafications etc if it becomes public knowledge. But, if I give student B the same amout of money (a $100 bill) and the publice gets wind of it, a whole can of woop ass is opened up! Let say it's just not $100 b/c that's petty. If the kid is getting $100 once he's getting it more than that; say $1,500. There really is NO difference. Look at the Jim O'Brien scenario. What if that $6K (or whatever it was) were given to student A (the academic scholarship receipient)...I doubt you would've heard about it...and if so, does anyone feel the punishments would have been as severe? NO WAY!

Something is WRONG here, and it's the NCAA...lining their pockets!

Here's the disconnect: $100 handshakes for brainiacs don't really affect the integrity of a classroom. $100 handshakes for athletes do affect the integrity of the game. College football should never be ruled by the program that buys the best cars and throws around the most cash. I realize the current rules are lame and all, but there aren't very many other options that don't lead college football down the slippery slope of rampant bribery.
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Very thought-provoking issue, but there are some basic logics that don't fit into the scenario. Why would anyone give money to an Academic scholar? There is a connection when you talk football...possibly some sort of gain for the donor when you are talking about football player.

Would it be the same issue for a walk-on? I mean, you don't have to be on scholarship to get into trouble with the NCAA for accepting benefits do you? The reason I bring that up is because the only reason I could see giving money to an Academic scholar would be because you plan to possibly hire them later. If that were the case, then you could just pay for their education anyway. I think it's an attempt at an "equal playing field" issue...competition rules for schools belonging to the NCAA, and not a scholarship issue.
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HAYN, Sour grapes from an ex-player, maybe? :biggrin:

Seriously, jlb1705 hit on some great points I was going to make. In addition to what he noted, keep in mind that colleges don't try to out-recruit each other for prized students (at least not to near the degree that athletes are recruited). Also, there's no real national championship for biochemistry, art, business management, etc. 100,000 people don't fill a stadium and millions more don't tune in on TV/radio to watch/listen to a lab experiment. The competitive nature of college athletics demand strict oversight. While it wouldn't make much of a difference in the academic world if Harvard were to sway Joe Einstein to forego going to Stanford, MIT, or Northwestern, by giving him some extra moola, but it makes a huge difference in the college football world if Ohio State could lure away players like Sanchez, Alaeze, Cushing, Doering, Stewart, or Gwaltney with booster payments.
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Absolutely universities buy top-notch grad students! My sister was offered $17k a year by Kansas University at one point, and then later accepted a slightly lesser amount to go to Hawaii. Not every student gets that, that's for sure, but depending on the field of study, money is there and it does vary. Better programs pay LESS because they don't have to, ironically. I'd bet in football it would be the same way. Ole Miss might be offering $25k a year for let's say a star RB, but the same player might only get an offer for let's say $10k from OSU, simply because we put more backs in the NFL than Ole Miss does.

Now, one difference is the general public. You guys don't give a rat's ass whether the Philosophy department is better at Kansas, Rutgers or Hawaii. No one does who isn't in that major. The whole f-ing country seems to care whether OSU or USC is better at football. Therein lies the difference, it seems.

The other difference is that academic departments get their money from the general fund or taxpayer money, and the students who get money teach classes, so it's not a net loss.

Athletics is supposed to be self-supporting. What does that mean? Since most sports are net money losers, especially due to Title IX, that means that the athletic departments are typically subsidized by the hoops and football programs. Start paying those players and guess what? Bye-bye swim team, soccer team, fencing, gymnastics, and maybe at some schools, track and field or even baseball/softball. Eventually, schools would have to eliminate those scholarships, reduce them to club sports, or require those students to actually PAY to play those sports. I had friends on the club rugby, hockey and soccer teams at OU. They had to hold fundraisers sometimes just to have travel money. There was very little money (if any) from the university for regular expenses. They were happy just to have some facilities to use, and I'm pretty sure the players bought their own equipment. That's the future of NCAA sports if paying players becomes legal, in all likelyhood. Maybe these wonderful Mr. Such-and-suches would step up to fund the teams, but it's one thing to come up with a few K for the Fab Five, it's another to come up with the salary for an 85 man roster. Throw $10k a year at each guy on average, and you're just under a million bucks. Sure, OSU can handle that kind of coin, but no way on most of D1A.

Yeah, it's a mess, but what are you going to do?
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Guess what-a lot of brainiac students do go the place that offers them the best financial package-full ride at OSU vs. normal package at Stanford,etc. That said, a brainiac student will NOT be paid under the table for their undergraduate work-why do you think a lot of computer whizzes drop out and go to work-because they can make a lot more $$ in their field and don't need a degree to do it-I have talked to plenty of computer whiz types and they all say the CIS degree doesn't mean much to employers who know what they are looking for-kinda like the NFL/NBA. An institution does not pay someone for allowing them to develop their skills there-period. That is what the real world is for.

jimotis4heisman said:
you said grad students, they are employees of the university, they ta/teach aka serve an academic purpose
That is true, but universities don't go nuts to have the best TA's. They want the best researchers, brightest academic stars,etc., for the rep of their particular program. A TA can do jack squat classroom wise if their research/thesis is kick ass, and the school probably won't care.
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