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Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by bukIpower, Nov 6, 2004.

  1. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    Once again we were definatly hand cuffed until he finally realized we had to win the game......

    I thought we didn't run the ball extreamly well, but in the second half we did have some success.....

    Passing the ball , again we didn't have extream success but we were effecient and on mark most of the time.

    What really gets at me though is that we start to move the ball when we mix it up, and usually we only do that in the 2nd half of football games? I just don't understand why Tressel didn't try to burry them.... (He did attempt with the bomb to Santonio) but once that failed he clearly played not to lose the game, and we almost did just that..... ALMOST though........ GO BUCKS!
  2. LloydSev

    LloydSev DreamWeaver

    I don't buy that we were handcuffed. I think Troy Smith makes Tressel handcuff him when he takes off running without trying to make a play first.

    I am more willing to give Tressel the benefit of the doubt than Smith.
  3. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    Hopefully with experience Smith improves in this area but it's definitely a part of his game he needs to work on. Use your speed and elusiveness to buy time and make a play with your arm. You have to believe he'll make better decisions in that area as he plays more.
  4. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Agreed...the QB from MSU did a great job of doing exactly what we are talking about...he let the receivers get into the scramble drill and find the soft spot
  5. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    Definatly right guys, I'm just talking alittle more about the running plays we repeatively called in the early parts...... I was happy to see Troy take a shot down field 2 times today...... one couldv'e been caught, and another by Gonzo shouldv'e been caught.... He'll get better though, He did buy time one time today and got a first down so he's learning but just needs more time!

    Again our tight ends didn't touch the ball........ (shocking)

    Definatly also right on MSU's QB....he's a 5th year senior so he better be able to do that with the decent speed he's got.... I was impressed with their QB though.
  6. LloydSev

    LloydSev DreamWeaver

    Actually, Ryan Hamby dropped a pass today.
  7. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Those "same old running plays" are staples of football...the lack of a productive back and a dominating line make them so horrid to watch.
  8. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    Steve Belisari conditioned a lot of us to cringe at the sight of a QB pulling it down too soon. SB continued to do that right up til the end of his career.

    It is a problem for Smith, but so is reading defenses. Grad's comparison to a 5th year senior is appropriate. Give him time.

    I saw an awful lot that I wanted to see on that last drive.
  9. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    somebody should put some of those fake glasses on tressel that ALWAYS show:

    Opponent: 24
    Ohio State: 13

    the bucks would put up 40 a game then.....
  10. bukIpower

    bukIpower Senior

    good Idea just like you #10 dildo you speak of........ (the ladies might actually like that).

    We just never play with any sense of urgency..... we always play like we're trying to hold the ball for a couple plays to get our defense some water.

    Our play calling isn't that aggressive..........Although Smith has over shot I think 2 recievers now going deep, I'd like to see him given the chance more. He does needs to have some chances to maybe connect on one.....
  11. Saw31

    Saw31 High Seas Rogue

    I'm not sure what you're looking for here. Do you want to throw it deep 20 times a game? How about we prove we can complete a few underneath passes first before we start playing like Air Coryell. We miss a deep ball on first down (now 2nd & 10) and it kills drives. We are not capable at this point to make up for those kinds of wasted plays on a consistant basis.
  12. emr33

    emr33 Newbie

    Yeah, my brother and I always watch the OSU game together and he wondered why we didn't throw any slants to Ginn. I told him I guarantee JT does not want to take the chance of an INT. Well, the only time he tried it was at the end of the game when we needed it. As much as we try and run it, play action pass should be a premium on first down. Bootleg's with Smith w/ TE and WR dragging across should work constantly. This would also keep the LB and S from loading up on the run.

    Another thing I would like to see now that JT unleashed the Ginn beast is to fake reverses with him. This should strike fear in the D's we face every time. Ginn is the biggest difference maker I have seen for us in I can't remember how long. He just plays faster than everyone else. On the slant, the DB was 2 yards behind him and by the time he got to the end zone he was 10 yards. Ginn should really free up room for Holmes. Holmes didn't get much touches until the second half. These guys need to touch the ball a lot (IMHO).

    With all that said, I'm still not convinced about our QB situation. I'm not sure if it is JT why they look so bad, but I'm looking forward to seeing Boeckman. I have a buddy who refs High School football and he said Boeckman is much better than Smith or Zwick. Nobody knows how he will do at the college level but I would love to see it. Smith, in his defense, is 3-0 and you can't argue about that. It just doesn't seem Smith or Zwick has led this offense this year. It may be our OL play, but I'm just not sold on our "O"...the chemisty just doesn't seem right.
  13. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    another confusing aspect was that we never ran outside at all. we had 3 outside runs, 2 reverses to ginn, and mo hall's td run. i'm sure it was a combination of th backs (especially ross and joe) not cutting outside, and just not trying to run outside of the tackle box. their olb's and safeties were lined up inside the tackle box for a majority of the game.
  14. Buckeye513

    Buckeye513 Stable Genius

    In the first quarter, right before Ginn's reverse TD, was that a designed run play for Smith or an option?
  15. buckiprof

    buckiprof 21st Century Buckeye Man Staff Member

    Mo Hall's TD run wasn't designed to be run outside. This is one of my bigger bitches. When was the last time our offense ran a toss sweep? Last week seeing Pittman being run between the tackles every time he touched the ball got old very quickly. It really makes the defenses job a little easier to defense the run when the run is always between the tackles?

    IMO, it seemed that in the 2nd half, the running game looked a little better due to the Oline doing simple straight ahead smash mouth football leading a back not named Ross.

    More variety is needed in the running game, the between the tackles smash mouth combined with some toss sweeps combined with some counter plays, can help keep the defense a little more honest. A fake toss sweep/QB boot could become another weapon. More variety in the passing game would be nice also. Too many times our 3 receivers that are on one side all run a 7 yard stop; whatever happened to having them run routes on different levels?

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