I watched the man coach the Cavs for several years. He isn't THE problem, but he is a problem. He's a horrible coach, who has been blessed with some really good teams.Bucky32;2252588; said:
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billmac91
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Probably the worst in-game adjuster I have ever seen...that same inability to adjust in the course of a game, carries over to entire series once the playoffs start. The losses to Boston and Orlando were not so bad in the sense that they got beat, but it was how they got beat. Just an absolute refusal to make proper adjustments and straight stubbornness to deviate away from his plan.
Just way too stubborn in his philosophy. Good assistant coach, terrible head coach. He can implement a system, but when it comes to calling the shots as the head man, brutal.
Just way too stubborn in his philosophy. Good assistant coach, terrible head coach. He can implement a system, but when it comes to calling the shots as the head man, brutal.
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Agreed. He's the type of coach that, if he's going to continue as a head man, belongs in a middle-lower tier job like Atlanta or Charlotte. Ideally, he's better suited to just be a defensive assistant. Putting him in charge of a team with championship aspirations is a waste of time and effort.billmac91;2252602; said:
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Bucky32
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Well, I just believe NBA coaches do less and matter less than any other coach in pro sports. By a significant margin.NFBuck;2252597; said:
I get he's the fall guy and what not, but Brown coached Lebron for how many seasons? And those teams were still killing it with way less talent (and less money).
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Really? Less than baseball? Hockey? I'd argue basketball coaches are maybe the most important. You could say football, but much of their responsibility is delegated to assistants/coordinators. Basketball coaches implement systems, develop rotations, and make adjustments on the fly. NBA coaches have to deal with 12-15 immature, self-absorbed, assholes on a daily basis. Why do certain coaches always seem to go far into the playoffs and win rings? It ain't always the players. I'm kind of baffled by your statement.Bucky32;2252606; said:
He won a lot in the regular season...with the best player on the planet, who had a solid complementary cast. When he got to the playoffs, he was consistently outcoached by an embarrassing margin when the talent he had couldn't make up for his blunders. He's a bad coach, period. LA was going nowhere with him.
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billmac91
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Bucky32;2252606; said:
1. I think you're underestimating the talent he had in Cleveland, while also having the best player in the NBA on his team.
2. His inability to adjust to Rashard Lewis against Orlando and Rajon Rondo against Boston were utter failures. In both cases his refusal to use the most dynamic defender in the NBA (LeBron James) was idiotic and stubborn. Further evidence would be watching how Erik Spoelstra used LeBron in the playoffs this year. He guarded the opposing teams best offesnsive player regardless of position.
3. I think a coach in basketball makes a world of difference. Everything from strategy to team chemistry rides on the head coach. While Mike Brown preached and taught defense, he was incapable of making adjustments on the fly when things weren't working. All he ever said was "we need to execute our plan better". Sometimes the plan doesn't work.
He made his bed....
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Bucky32
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Because I think they're a product of having great, once-in-a-lifetime players (i.e. Phil Jackson with Jordan & Kobe), not the other way around. That's not to say Jackson isn't a great coach. I think he's one of the best of all time. But it's all relative. I just struggle to accept that NBA coaches pour all of their lives (including the offseason) into their jobs like NFL or even college coaches do.NFBuck;2252609; said:
Do we really think that Erik freaking Spoelstra was the reason why the Heat won it all last year? No, at least I don't. In fact, many times they were winning in spite of him.
Just my $.02.
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That's a fair point, but Jordan/Kobe didn't win until Phil arrived. Pat Riley has had success at nearly every stop, and took over a "decent" Heat team midseason, turned them totally around and led them to a title. Gregg Popovich gets great returns year-in and year-out despite being out talented in many cases, and now with a practically jurassic team. It might not be as involved as football, but the good coaches have almost always excelled at in-game strategy and adjustments.Bucky32;2252613; said:
An exception to the rule. Sometimes, talent wins out. The heat have 3 of the best players in the league, including the best on the planet....and still almost [censored]ed it away twice last year. Hard to [censored] that up, IMO, almost did, though. But, honestly, if anybody could do it...it's Mike Brown. The guy is a boob.
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billmac91
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NFBuck;2252616; said:That's a fair point, but Jordan/Kobe didn't win until Phil arrived. Pat Riley has had success at nearly every stop, and took over a "decent" Heat team midseason, turned them totally around and led them to a title. Gregg Popovich gets great returns year-in and year-out despite being out talented in many cases, and now with a practically jurassic team. It might not be as involved as football, but the good coaches have almost always excelled at in-game strategy and adjustments.
An exception to the rule. Sometimes, talent wins out. The heat have 3 of the best players in the league, including the best on the planet....and still almost [censored]ed it away twice last year. Hard to [censored] that up, IMO, almost did, though. But, honestly, if anybody could do it...it's Mike Brown. The guy is a boob.
I said it before the season even started....if there was one coach on the planet that could make Steve Nash look like a terrible PG, it'd be Mike Brown.
The Lakers were smart to cut their losses this soon, although it should have been in the off-season. In fact, they shouldn't have hired him at all.
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buckeyesin07
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WolverineMike;2252586; said:
And I'm surprised that you haven't payed closer attention to the NBA over the past 8 seasons or so.
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