• Follow us on Twitter @buckeyeplanet and @bp_recruiting, like us on Facebook! Enjoy a post or article, recommend it to others! BP is only as strong as its community, and we only promote by word of mouth, so share away!
  • Consider registering! Fewer and higher quality ads, no emails you don't want, access to all the forums, download game torrents, private messages, polls, Sportsbook, etc. Even if you just want to lurk, there are a lot of good reasons to register!

John Beilein (Former HC Cleveland Cavaliers)

jwinslow

A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE
Staff member
Tourney Pick'em Champ
FreeP
...

"When you go into a season and all the coaches try to give their wisdom to them, it's got to be almost a Montessori experience," Beilein said of the interactive approach to learning. "They've got to put their hands on it and say, we told you (that) you can't lean back on a charge, then you won't get it. They've got to see it over and over. That's what we're doing. We're learning how to play college basketball." Michigan has played with the inconsistency expected of a team led by two freshmen in the backcourt and two sophomores in the frontcourt, and a team restricted by the loss of players from the roster.

...Cont'd
ESPN anchor Jay Bilas recently ripped into UM head basketball coach John Beilein on national TV.

MLiveBlog
I detest having to bring this up again because I love John Beilein and think he was a great choice for Michigan, and that he will do a good job there in time. But, what is he talking about?!

Beilein has taken great pains to suggest that his players don't know a basketball from a bowling ball, that his players are "learning how to play college basketball" and that when the Michigan coaches "give their wisdom to them, it's got to be almost a Montessori experience." What?! Beilein makes his players sound so stupid and clueless that it is insulting.

First, and I say this as a guy who thinks that basketball is far more complicated than most seem to understand, to refer to your own basketball understanding as "wisdom" seems a bit much. Knowledge, yes. Wisdom, take a pill. Even John Wooden wouldn't refer to his own knowledge as "wisdom."

Second, if your system is so complicated that you need to refer to recruited athletes and students admitted to the University of Michigan as the basketball equivalent of toddlers, maybe you should simplify things so you can compete favorably with Harvard, Central Michigan or Western Kentucky.

Beilein has no depth (because of attrition), but Manny Harris (consensus top-50 recruit), DeShawn Sims (consensus top-50 recruit), Kelvin Grady (heavily recruited) and Ekpe Udoh (heavily recruited) are all good enough and smart enough to be competitive. Heck, Purdue is full of freshmen and sophomores, and its players are not being referred to as if they are idiots.

Michigan is off to its worst start in 25 years, and it is not all the players' fault. Nobody is complaining about the poor play because Beilein deserves time to do it his way. Nobody asked me for my advice, and I understand that. But, if I were in Beilein's situation, I would quit making so many excuses and save my breath for teaching. Or, maybe I'm not smart enough to get it, either.
MLiveBlog's response
Is Bilas still mourning Amaker or just plain wrong? Probably both.

Posted by jcarty January 08, 2008 09:53AM


It's rare to see anyone on ESPN criticize a college basketball coach, let alone lay the boots to a first-year coach who accepted what everyone agreed was a rebuilding job.


So Jay Bilas' savaging of John Beilein and the job he's done at Michigan this season would have stood out regardless of both men's backgrounds, but when you add in the fact Bilas is the close friend of the man Beilein replaced, Tommy Amaker, the ESPN analyst's comments have become the topic of the week around Ann Arbor.

...Cont'd
 
I don't think he's a guy who will win a national title or deliver multiple final fours. However his system has proven itself at WVU and Richmond. Give him time and recruits. Michigan at least will make the tourny again.
 
Upvote 0
DaytonBuck;1061714; said:
I don't think he's a guy who will win a national title or deliver multiple final fours. However his system has proven itself at WVU and Richmond. Give him time and recruits. Michigan at least will make the tourny again.
I'm sure they felt the same way about Tommy Amaker.:wink2:
 
Upvote 0
I don't think he's a guy who will win a national title or deliver multiple final fours. However his system has proven itself at WVU and Richmond. Give him time and recruits. Michigan at least will make the tourny again.
news flash, the big east isnt the big 10, in the big east you dont have 18 conference games against 11 opponents, plus the possibility of seeing teams again in the b10 tournament, you dont have what six NATIONAL COACHES OF THE YEAR
 
Upvote 0
are you trying to say the big ten is better than the big east?
no. but, its a different basket of eggs when you play 10 teams over 18 games and throw in a tournament that everyone is involved in vs. 16 teams over 18 games (arent they an 18 game conference) plus have a smaller tournament. the point is the uniqueness and the system although important are not as important when you play 2-3 times a year, you have coaches who have seen the systems and sets that many times, plus double scouting overlap, in game coaching comes more into play. the group of b10 coaches matches up with anyone group in the country.

which conference is better is a match that i am not going to get into.
a) i havent seen that much big east basketball
b) i dont know how you compare them: ranked teams, final fours, ncs, sweet 16s, elite 8s?
c) i dont really care who is better its irrelevant to me
d) if i did care how do you compare 11 teams vs 16 teams?
 
Upvote 0
I would have never thought Jay Bilas would have come down so hard on a coach. I think he knows quite a bit about basketball and for him to come out publicly and really ream a coach really surprises me. I hope that a lot of recruits that were considering scUm per Bilas.:)
 
Upvote 0
I don't think Bilas is that far off in his assesment and I agree 100% with the point Jim Otis is making. I've never been a fan of scheme coaches in any sport, but I think you suffer double from it when you try it in a good conference.

IMO Morgantown North's football program is going to mirror its bball program for the forseeable future. I'll be shocked if either coach makes it past 5 years.
 
Upvote 0
I have to agree with Bilas. In no way is it appropriate for a coach to tout his own ability while he subsequently demeans his players. Beilen is going to have a tough time building any kind of winner in AA if he continues to look down on the very thing he needs to make it happen, his players. Not only will the players he has quit on him, are they already? But it will grow harder and harder to get blue chip talent to come and play in his system that apparently requires a MENSA membership to comprehend.

It has been a disturbing trend in College Football this year with the percieved lack of loyalty, now it appears as though it is finding it's way to Basketball. If more coaches in Major College sports continue to jump ship from their programs and publicly belittle the players that they are entrusted with the future looks scary, see Meyer's reported comments about some of his players following their Bowl loss. We as fans of tOSU are fortunate that we have coaches who truly put their players and their school ahead of all else and aren't touched by this yet, but as the number of Beilen's, Rodriguez's, Petrino's and Nutt's continue to grow and find their way into the Conferences of the teams that we love the landscape will change.

And the scUM response to Bilas is almost comical. Their only defense to his comments is to say that it is because he has a bone to pick with them because they fired Amaker. Simply dodging the issue is as weak a defense as there is, try to address the actual facts and comment on the universally accepted inappropriate comments by your Head Basketball Coach. Beilen crossed the line, the scUM faithful would be better to call him out as well and make him see the error of his words.

Players will achieve more than their skills say they should because they will give all they are capable of for a coach that they respect and respects them. Beilen has lost that with this group of players no doubt. If the scUM program is to turn around and go forward he better soften his opinion of himself and make sure he keeps the respect of his players in the future.
 
Upvote 0
I've thought for a long time that Beilein was overrated as a coach. I've posted on these forums that Michigan has way too much talent (Manny Harris, DeShawn Sims, others) to languish in the second division of the B11 with Iowa, Minnesota, Northwestern and Penn State (none of which has remotely equal talent to the Weasels). Nice to see Bilas calling out Beilein on his failure to deliver.

I hated the Mountaineers' style of play with Beilein at the helm, being that it depended upon big men hoisting 3's and learning to flop repeatedly when opponents played aggressive O near the rim. It seems like B11 officials are not letting his team get away with this crap, and good on 'em.

Really too bad that Michigan will continue to struggle with their ongoing failure to find excellence in a basketball coach. :biggrin:
 
Upvote 0
NastyDogg72;1062227; said:
I have to agree with Bilas. In no way is it appropriate for a coach to tout his own ability while he subsequently demeans his players. Beilen is going to have a tough time building any kind of winner in AA if he continues to look down on the very thing he needs to make it happen, his players. Not only will the players he has quit on him, are they already? But it will grow harder and harder to get blue chip talent to come and play in his system that apparently requires a MENSA membership to comprehend.

It has been a disturbing trend in College Football this year with the percieved lack of loyalty, now it appears as though it is finding it's way to Basketball. If more coaches in Major College sports continue to jump ship from their programs and publicly belittle the players that they are entrusted with the future looks scary, see Meyer's reported comments about some of his players following their Bowl loss. We as fans of tOSU are fortunate that we have coaches who truly put their players and their school ahead of all else and aren't touched by this yet, but as the number of Beilen's, Rodriguez's, Petrino's and Nutt's continue to grow and find their way into the Conferences of the teams that we love the landscape will change.

And the scUM response to Bilas is almost comical. Their only defense to his comments is to say that it is because he has a bone to pick with them because they fired Amaker. Simply dodging the issue is as weak a defense as there is, try to address the actual facts and comment on the universally accepted inappropriate comments by your Head Basketball Coach. Beilen crossed the line, the scUM faithful would be better to call him out as well and make him see the error of his words.

Players will achieve more than their skills say they should because they will give all they are capable of for a coach that they respect and respects them. Beilen has lost that with this group of players no doubt. If the scUM program is to turn around and go forward he better soften his opinion of himself and make sure he keeps the respect of his players in the future.
Oh please. "Crossed the line" my ass. "Lost respect from his players" my ass. "Universally accepted inappropriate comments" MY ASS. Jay Bilas and an Ohio State message board hardly qualifies as "universal". Get a grip. Nobody would ever have fussed about what Beilein said if Bilas didn't decide to make a huge issue. You know why? Because it's nothing. Show me where Beilein said his players are too stupid to get it. Show me where he said they're not listening to him. Show me where he called them out.

In fact, let's dig a little deeper into the context. In fact, let's quote another Big Ten coach from the same Freep article:

"You can have a high level of success in high school or junior college and talk all you want about an adjustment, but they must experience it," Painter said. "And they have to buy what you're selling. A lot of times it's not intentional that they don't believe everything that you're saying. It's human nature for them to say this has worked for me in the past and he's asking me to do something different than I've done in the past. But the Big Ten's not the same as your high school conference or your junior college conference."
Whoa. Sounds a lot like maybe Beilein isn't the only coach who thinks that you have to learn how to play college basketball. Where's Jay Bilas, hm?

This is an article praising Beilein for his coaching methods, mainly highlighting how other coaches are with Beilein on this.

"Universally unacceptable." What a joke. The universe is bigger than Ohio.
 
Upvote 0
HailToMichigan;1062248; said:
Oh please. ..."Universally unacceptable." What a joke. The universe is bigger than Ohio.
I'm pleased as a hog in slop that Weasel fans feel compelled to defend Beilein. The longer he is in Ann Arbor, the better for Ohio State hoop fans.

Hope you Michigan fans stay happy with the continued mediocrity (at best) for as long as Beilein keeps you mired in it -- that is to say, for as long as he's your coach.
 
Upvote 0
HailToMichigan;1062248; said:
Oh please. "Crossed the line" my ass. "Lost respect from his players" my ass. "Universally accepted inappropriate comments" MY ASS. Jay Bilas and an Ohio State message board hardly qualifies as "universal". Get a grip. Nobody would ever have fussed about what Beilein said if Bilas didn't decide to make a huge issue. You know why? Because it's nothing. Show me where Beilein said his players are too stupid to get it. Show me where he said they're not listening to him. Show me where he called them out.

In fact, let's dig a little deeper into the context. In fact, let's quote another Big Ten coach from the same Freep article:


Whoa. Sounds a lot like maybe Beilein isn't the only coach who thinks that you have to learn how to play college basketball. Where's Jay Bilas, hm?

This is an article praising Beilein for his coaching methods, mainly highlighting how other coaches are with Beilein on this.

"Universally unacceptable." What a joke. The universe is bigger than Ohio.

Jay Bilas isn't from Ohio Mr. expert and if you think you know more than him about College Basketball you are sadly mistaken my friend. In Bilas's statement he says that Beilen has repeatedly made it apparent what he thinks of himself and his players. Not based on just this one article. There is a big difference between teaching your players and preaching to them. Universe is bigger than Michigan too, and people outside of your tiny universe don't think Beilen is doing a good job. You have your opinion and a guy like Bilas who knows College Basketball better than any of us has his.
 
Upvote 0
MaxBuck;1062266; said:
I'm pleased as a hog in slop that Weasel fans feel compelled to defend Beilein. The longer he is in Ann Arbor, the better for Ohio State hoop fans.
Because Beilein's tenure at Michigan depends on whether or not I defend him.

In Bilas's statement he says that Beilen has repeatedly made it apparent what he thinks of himself and his players. Not based on just this one article.
Then it's on Bilas to bring proof to the table. He needs to give examples, otherwise he's just lobbing grenades from his ivory tower.

Universe is bigger than Michigan too, and people outside of your tiny universe don't think Beilen is doing a good job.
What people? Certainly not the coaches that Beilein's coached against. Don't take it from me, take it from UCLA's coach Ben Howland: "That's the best 4-8 team in the country," Bruins coach Ben Howland said of Michigan. "They are going to be very good, especially in this building."
 
Upvote 0
Back
Top