Kiyaunta Goodwin (OL Kentucky, transfer to Florida)

[bukIpower]

I feel like you completely ignored my other posts. He's good for 1-2 blue chippers per year. The others are typically of the 3-star to low 4-star category. I'm open to being proven wrong

Quick reminder: the OL is made up of 5 positions, not 1 to 2. I know that's snarky, but in this case I think it's warranted

Schaino got NPF... but continue...

I'm sure Schiano and Stud both were recruiting NPF.

1-2 blue chippers per year is really all anyone can ask for. We do that over 2 years and you have guaranteed 2-4 starters of the 5. Playing time matters to kids (which is the case here) and landing 2-3 blue chips per year isn't realistic. Goodwin sees that we are so deep that PJ has to play guard as a sophomore. Right now there's a 2 year wait if you want to play right away.

Right now we are landing about one 5 star per year and (forgot that we also landed Jackson in 2021) we are doing a really good job with the 3 and 4 star kids. Kids like Matthew Jones, Jones from Indiana (first make escapes me) and now Fryar showing he's ready to contribute as a redshirt freshman too. We are looking really strong at OL and Goodwin is not a loss whatsoever IMO. We will get someone just as quality.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I'm sure Schiano and Stud both were recruiting NPF.

That would be incorrect by all published accounts. It was Schiano and Meyer who got involved late and closed the deal. Neither are here to help him anymore.

Goodwin is not a loss whatsoever IMO.

Then why was he such a high priority for the staff?

Swinging and missing on your top guy(s) then landing a few fall back options isn't the type of recruiting "wins" that keep you competitive with the Bama machine.

Sorry, it just isn't.

 

[pnuts34]

I'm sure Schiano and Stud both were recruiting NPF.

1-2 blue chippers per year is really all anyone can ask for. We do that over 2 years and you have guaranteed 2-4 starters of the 5. Playing time matters to kids (which is the case here) and landing 2-3 blue chips per year isn't realistic. Goodwin sees that we are so deep that PJ has to play guard as a sophomore. Right now there's a 2 year wait if you want to play right away.

Right now we are landing about one 5 star per year and (forgot that we also landed Jackson in 2021) we are doing a really good job with the 3 and 4 star kids. Kids like Matthew Jones, Jones from Indiana (first make escapes me) and now Fryar showing he's ready to contribute as a redshirt freshman too. We are looking really strong at OL and Goodwin is not a loss whatsoever IMO. We will get someone just as quality.

This is, Jones and Fryar weren't backup plans, both were highly rated at their positions in their respective years. Jones we all knew was a project, but a kid with a good basketball background so we knew he had a solid base(good footwork, and massive size). If Goodwin signs in the end(even if he commits to UK, I don't believe OSU gives up on him) that will be a very big loss! He was favored to OSU for months, and to end up at UK would be a big gut punch! IDK where they would go from there that would be better, that we have are favored for, especially since the midwest doesn't have a lot of highly ranked played in 2022.

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

This is, Jones and Fryar weren't backup plans, both were highly rated at their positions in their respective years. Jones we all knew was a project, but a kid with a good basketball background so we knew he had a solid base(good footwork, and massive size). If Goodwin signs in the end(even if he commits to UK, I don't believe OSU gives up on him) that will be a very big loss! He was favored to OSU for months, and to end up at UK would be a big gut punch! IDK where they would go from there that would be better, that we have are favored for, especially since the midwest doesn't have a lot of highly ranked played in 2022.

to further the point.. Jones & Fryer are Guard/Center not OTs...

 

[bukIpower]

This is, Jones and Fryar weren't backup plans, both were highly rated at their positions in their respective years. Jones we all knew was a project, but a kid with a good basketball background so we knew he had a solid base(good footwork, and massive size). If Goodwin signs in the end(even if he commits to UK, I don't believe OSU gives up on him) that will be a very big loss! He was favored to OSU for months, and to end up at UK would be a big gut punch! IDK where they would go from there that would be better, that we have are favored for, especially since the midwest doesn't have a lot of highly ranked played in 2022.

They were both not highly rated at all not sure what you mean there.

Regardless guys our OL room has never looked this good and as deep. Ever.

Credit goes to stud for that and I'm certainly not going to be upset over the few kids we do lose out on. Can't get them all.

As for Goodwin I'm sure the staff does like him but I'm saying it's not a big loss in my opinion because we've proven we'll go out and get other kids highly recruited too.

Could be worse everyone... could be attempting to find the hidden gems in Connecticut.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Could be worse everyone... could be attempting to find the hidden gems in Connecticut.

tsun is our rival

Bama is the standard

OT recruiting isn't keeping up with them

 

[thackattack]

tsun is our rival

Bama is the standard

OT recruiting isn't keeping up with them

I think that’s the crux of this argument. Some (buki, e.g.) are content to stomp the B1G year after year - and the current OL and team talent have that accomplished whether you pick up a particular OT prospect, or don’t.

Bama is operating in uncharted territory on the recruiting and titles front for the past decade. If we are measuring tOSU’s success against that standard, they’re falling short. But so is everyone else. Catching them is a good goal to strive for and results in improvements that can win you a Nati, but awfully hard to achieve and likely to disappoint you if that’s your bar.

I’m somewhere in between. I think Day is the right guy clearly and his staff is excellent; Saban can’t coach much more than 5 more years, right? I’m fine losing one OT because the tOSU satanic soulless freight train isn’t showing signs of slowing.

I also think it’s early to be worried about next year’s tackle depth. With all the disruption from COVID, you could argue there’s more room for sleepers in the next couple classes, particularly at OL where eval is fraught.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

Let’s see where he actually signs.

Looooong way to go.

 

[pnuts34]

tsun is our rival

Bama is the standard

OT recruiting isn't keeping up with them

Bingo. We should have Bama in sights as where we need to be to be champions. I will always have deep hate for scUM, but the talent we have, they can't compete with us for a very long time. Sad thing is, if you take Bama away from CFB, OSU has the most talent in CFB, but only has 1 NC since 2014. Yes, I know I sound spoiled, and you know what GOOD! We cheer for OSU and we gather talent to win NCs, not B1G championships. And I can bet that Day and the staff feels the same way. And they're not using the Covid season as an excuse, because I can assure you that had OSU won the NC in 2020 not one of us would have an asterisk next to that championship or on our NC shirts. Titles are won on the OL, and they're won with top talent. Stud has done great at developing, but CFB is set up around recruiting and constantly bringing in top talent

 

[ShowMeBuck]

I know we need OT. And I know Goodwin has the potential to be elite and he’s a recruit we have been in on early and need. But if he ultimately suits up for UK there are other options like free agency to fill in spots along the line as needed. Worked out fine with Jonah Jackson. I’m not worried the least.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I know we need OT. And I know Goodwin has the potential to be elite and he’s a recruit we have been in on early and need. But if he ultimately suits up for UK there are other options like free agency to fill in spots along the line as needed. Worked out fine with Jonah Jackson. I’m not worried the least.

To each their own. I personally don't believe that hope is a plan.

Hoping more plan B's work out because recent one's have isn't a path that a school with the resources and expectations of Ohio State should be going down.

Start landing more of your plan A guys is the surest path to success.

 

[NorthCoastKid]

 

[ShowMeBuck]

To each their own. I personally don't believe that hope is a plan.

Hoping more plan B's work out because recent one's have isn't a path that a school with the resources and expectations of Ohio State should be going down.

Start landing more of your plan A guys is the surest path to success.

Yeah I get that. And I still kind of doubt Goodwin ends up at UK and we definitely do need to land more plan A guys.

It’s just not quite at a level of panic yet for me. I look at how the Baylor roster was loaded with transfers and while I don’t think football is quite the same as hoops but I’m just saying that elite schools can usually plug in a guy as needed that’s all. Ohio State should be consistently landing elite guys at all positions but they seem to fill in as needed with transfers. Just look at last year when the starting QB and RB were transfers. It’s the way things are now and the elite schools will have the pick of the litter.

 

[Bestbuck36]

I dont know why you guys are worried about not getting more OT's. We're only playing 3 linemen this year anyway and 6 WRs! It's all in the strategerie

 

[Buckeye86]

Birm outright says that Kentucky is telling Goodwin that the recruiting dead period is never going to end so he should commit, while Ohio State and others (presumably everyone but especially Bama and Clemson) are telling him it will end and he can visit soon so he should wait.

Birm says that Goodwin has been highly frustrated during the dead period and that is a motivating factor for the early announcement.

This reminds me of the Jordan Hancock recruitment last year, where a school blatantly manipulated a kids emotions into an early commitment. Once things leveled out with Hancock he reevaluated and chose Ohio State. Hopefully the same thing plays out for Goodwin and Ohio State.

Given that today it was announced the dead period will end, you’d hope that would be negative points for Kentucky in Goodwin’s book.

While I am a little hesitant to say Kentucky outright lied to him (that the dead period is never going to end, as confirmed by Birm) to get an early commitment, at the very least they were clearly completely wrong on that.

If Goodwin delays his announcement that would obviously be a good sign for everyone other than Kentucky, and hopefully Ohio State would regain its place as the presumptive leader with an official visit scheduled in the very near future.

They also emphasized that even if the commitment moves forward the recruitment would be far from over, and an official visit being scheduled would confirm that as well. Birm confirms that Goodwin will take visits no matter what... so interesting situation, and again, hopefully Kentucky gets burned a little here for taking their shot in a seemingly manipulative way and being wrong.