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Hypothetical: Who should get the Big East's automatic BCS bid?

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The Big East didn't deserve an automatic Bid this year, Walt Harris leaves Pitt, but they gain Louisville next year. Does anyone really believe that the Big East will deserve an automatic bid again next year?!? West Virginia is an annual disappointment, Pittsburgh is in decline, and Louisville is hardly a national power - the rest of the BE couldn't take down Indiana without a head coach.

If YOU were to make the choice, how would you handle this situation? There is another BCS bid available for you to decide how it's handled.
 
id take it away from the big east and use it as an at large bid. that way the big east can still earn it if they have a worthy team....but if they have a team that sucks like this year it would go to cal.
 
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I like it the way it is. If a team's champion doesn't average in the top 12 over a 4 year span, they lose it and it becomes another at-large bid.

Over the last 4 years, the Big Least has averaged...
2001 - Miami - 1st
2002 - Miami - 1st
2003 - Miami - 9th
2004 - Pitt - 21st

Four-year average is 8th place, only because of Miami. Next year they will lose a 1st place and if the champion finishes any lower than 17th, they'll lose the bid for the 2006 BCS.
 
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The bid should go to the top team not in the 5 major conferences, while removing the top-6 automatic bid for their teams. This stops all of the "mid-majors" from complaining, and relegates the Big East to a mid-major conference, which is all it deserves.

That would have gone to Utah this year. Then Cal would have gotten the Rose Bowl bid, while Texas would play Utah in the Fiesta. Pitt would not have gotten the BCS bid.

I stated this at the beginning of the year, so it's not hindsight.
 
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I say get rid of Automatic bids... just give them to the top 8 BCS ranked (soon to be 10- assuming nothing happend with the 5th bowl plan and I missed it) teams and just play--- I'm tired of hearing how Cal got screwed because they are better than Texas.. they got screwed because hey are better than Pitt.
 
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I would like to see the Big East automatic bid become a bid that would go to the champion of either CUSA, MWC, WAC or Big East and had the best record.

So, this year, it woulda gone to Utah and Cal would be in the Rose Bowl with the at-large Utah got. And Pitt would be out, which is what should happen.

I agree about the Top 8 in the BCS just getting the bids. To go one step further, I wrote a column on www.o-state.com about the Top 8 of the BCS leading into a three-week playoff: http://www.o-state.com/football/2004/12/06/bcs-its-better-but-still-broken
 
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AKAKBUCK said:
I say get rid of Automatic bids... just give them to the top 8 BCS ranked (soon to be 10- assuming nothing happend with the 5th bowl plan and I missed it) teams and just play--- I'm tired of hearing how Cal got screwed because they are better than Texas.. they got screwed because hey are better than Pitt.
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Yeah this would be great. Then when the 9th ranked Buckeyes, who just beat scUM, win the Big 10, they don't get to go to the Rose Bowl, and instead end up in the Capital One Bowl. Give me a break. It's pretty simple. The Big East is a mid-major now, and there are only 5 major conferences. So give 5 automatic bids, and give 3 at larges, or 5 at-larges if there is another BCS bowl.

Frankly I think they should get rid of the BCS completely. Go back to the old bowl system, but after the bowl games, THEN have a national championship a week later (this can be used as an OFF week between the NFL regular season and the NFL playoffs), in which the top 2 teams can be determined by a BCS style ranking.

This would make me happy because the Rose Bowl would go back to being Pac-10 vs. Big-10. Plus the bowl games would now become even bigger for some teams, because 4 or 5 teams may be playing for a shot in the title game.

I know that this really wouldn't solve that much, because you could still end up with a 3-way tie (or more) like this year, but I think it would just be better than the current system, if for no other reason then the fact that it makes the Rose Bowl pac-10 vs. big 10 again and let's the national championship be a seperate game, not a bowl game.


I think the playoff system would solve a lot of problems, but it would totally screw over the bowl game system we have now, and the bowls are what make college football special.
 
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JonathanXC said:
Yeah this would be great. Then when the 9th ranked Buckeyes, who just beat scUM, win the Big 10, they don't get to go to the Rose Bowl, and instead end up in the Capital One Bowl. Give me a break. It's pretty simple. The Big East is a mid-major now, and there are only 5 major conferences. So give 5 automatic bids, and give 3 at larges, or 5 at-larges if there is another BCS bowl.

Frankly I think they should get rid of the BCS completely. Go back to the old bowl system, but after the bowl games, THEN have a national championship a week later (this can be used as an OFF week between the NFL regular season and the NFL playoffs), in which the top 2 teams can be determined by a BCS style ranking.

This would make me happy because the Rose Bowl would go back to being Pac-10 vs. Big-10. Plus the bowl games would now become even bigger for some teams, because 4 or 5 teams may be playing for a shot in the title game.

I know that this really wouldn't solve that much, because you could still end up with a 3-way tie (or more) like this year, but I think it would just be better than the current system, if for no other reason then the fact that it makes the Rose Bowl pac-10 vs. big 10 again and let's the national championship be a seperate game, not a bowl game.


I think the playoff system would solve a lot of problems, but it would totally screw over the bowl game system we have now, and the bowls are what make college football special.
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If the Buckeyes beat Michigan, and are still ranked out of the BCS top 8, soon to be top 10, then they probably lost at least 3 games, and do not deserve a BCS birth. So no, it's not a bad idea to get rid of bowl affiliations.

Go back to the old bowl system? If you did that, we'd still have the three unbeaten teams this year playing in three different bowls. How would you set up a NC game if they all won their bowl games? That's right. The same way they did it this year...screw one of the teams over.
 
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If the Buckeyes beat Michigan, and are still ranked out of the BCS top 8, soon to be top 10, then they probably lost at least 3 games, and do not deserve a BCS birth. So no, it's not a bad idea to get rid of bowl affiliations.
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Bingo.

Look... they fucked up the Rose bowl when they put them in the BCS anyway... so whatever.. top 8 go... soon to be 10... (I do however think they should put SOS back in if they do it that way...)
 
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A Buckeye team with 2 losses could easily be left out of the top 8. Look at scUM, they weren't in the top 8. Neither were Iowa or Wisconsin, not that they won the Big 10, but they both had 2 losses as well. Even LSU with 2 losses in the great SEC didn't make the top 8, and Virginia Tech is 9th in both polls. Eventually there would be a Buckeye team that would go 9-2, (7-1), win the Big 10 outright...and finish somewhere between 9th and 12th place. You are going to tell me you are okay with Ohio State not going to the Rose Bowl if that happens? What's the point of winning the Big 10 then? Why even have a conference. Under your system, it would be better for a college football program to not be in a conference, like Notre Dame. I think college football should reward major conference champions. College football's conference races are more competitve then any other division or conference races in sports. It's not like split titles are the end of the world. College football doesn't need all these changes. If it needed to be fixed then there wouldn't be 105,000 people each Saturday filling up the Shoe and millions more watching on TV. Regular season college football is the most exciting regular season sport in all of sports, both pro and college. Change the post-season system, and eventually you are going to change the fact that every game in college football is like a playoff game.
 
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JonathanXC said:
College football's conference races are more competitve then any other division or conference races in sports. It's not like split titles are the end of the world. College football doesn't need all these changes. If it needed to be fixed then there wouldn't be 105,000 people each Saturday filling up the Shoe and millions more watching on TV. Regular season college football is the most exciting regular season sport in all of sports, both pro and college. Change the post-season system, and eventually you are going to change the fact that every game in college football is like a playoff game.
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Exactly. Well said, JXC.
 
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