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Alabama Scandals; Logan Young; textbooks

Discussion in 'College Football' started by jimotis4heisman, Jan 25, 2005.


  2. ntd

    ntd Newbie

    I think about all I ever heard about this was one episode of Outside the Lines a couple of years ago...its a pretty terrible story, I'm glad that Means eventually got back to Memphis and had a little bit of a career
  3. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    this is much different from what happened this year with us. i can tell why it wasnt blasted all over bspn. :mad1:
  4. djtidebuck

    djtidebuck Hang on Sloopy

    The story did not get the same national exposure because it did not involve a high profile player like Clarett, but in the South, the story has been dragged through every circle, over and over.
  5. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    oh well that more then makes up for it :roll1:
  6. OSUBasketballJunkie

    OSUBasketballJunkie Never Forget 31-0

    This story has alot of meat to it and I barely know anything about it, it would be nice if ESPN was all over this like they are when we have an issue. Pathetic.
  7. djtidebuck

    djtidebuck Hang on Sloopy

    Buckeyenation27, in no way was I suggesting that it made up for anything. The way ESPN has treated the Buckeye story, in my opinion is unfair. I don't know why the national media has given the Buckeye situation such negative publicity.
  8. martinss01

    martinss01 blissfully stupid

    just remember guys, espin's attack on us wasn't personal. they were "just following the story". which can be clearly proven by compairing how they followed these two stories.

    first i have heard of this as well.
  9. osubartender23

    osubartender23 Purple Nurple King

    The thing about this is, when this lawsuit was first filed in Alabama; Fat Phil refused to go to the SEC media day in Alabama because of it. He was going to get subpoenaed and he didnt want to have to take the stand and be under oath. The supposed proof that Fat Phil had on Alabama somehow dissappeared from UT, and to this day no one can seemingly "find it". I dont know how parents of recruits can honestly still send thier kids to UT anymore. It must be nice knowing they are going to play for such a standup type of guy as Fat Phil is. God knows I would never want my son ever playing for a guy who wont go into a state to accept a subpoena because he doesnt want to finally have to tell the truth.
  10. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    bartender, You're right about Fulmer not going to media day this past year in order to avoid a subpoena, but I believe it was for a different lawsuit. There has been a mess surrounding the Albert Means recruiting saga, and the accusations between 'Bama and Tennessee for at least 3 years now. Alabama was put on probation largely for their involvement in the recruiting of Albert Means, and the story did get national coverage.

    The difference is that ESPN didn't mount a campaign over several weeks to maximize the negative impact of the story, like they've done with tOSU.
  11. goodguy

    goodguy I loathe goodguy

    Coach Cooper commented about the Means recruiting a few years back. If I remember correctly, Coach George Balu (sp?) or some other assistant came back from recruiting Means and told Cooper to forget about it. Means' coach wanted money. Anyone else remember this?

    Who was the receivers coach for Cooper, he was an older guy? I'm pretty sure he's the assistant that visited Means school.
  12. Wingate1217

    Wingate1217 Bring on the next opponent!!


    Do you mean Chuck Stobart?
  13. ysubuck

    ysubuck Be water my friend.

    This is a story with major recruiting implications involving a high profile school (Alabama) and a high profile coach (Fulmer) and I know nothing about it.

    Another little bit of proof that espn is after Ohio State, for whatever reason.
  14. You are correct that the Fulmer issue of not appearing at SEC media day in Birmingham was related to a lwsuit in Tuscaloosa Alabama. The primary difference between the Alabama situation and OSU is that the NCAA found that two Alabama assistant coaches (Ivy Williams and Ronny Cotrell (sp)) were directly involved in the recruitment (and payment) of Albert Means. That is why Alabama was placed on probation and lost scholarships. There is a lot of bad blood between Tennessee and Alabama. There are a number of lawsuits going on right now that most people outside of Alabama and Tennessee know nothing about. The booster, Logan Young, is on trial in Tennessee. The two coaches, Williams and Cotrell, have sued the NCAA about what happened to them (they are unable to coach). In addition, Fulmer was one of the people who turned Alabama in to the NCAA. This occurred right before the NCAA found that there was nothing to the accusations regarding the academic requirements for football players at Tennessee (another big issue that went away). Alabama fans think this is evidence that the NCAA and Fulmer were out to get Alabama and allowed Tennessee to get away with cheating. The NCAA has stated (I am not sure if it was directly or indirectly) that they did not rely on or need Fulmer's testimony.
  15. djtidebuck

    djtidebuck Hang on Sloopy

    I have friends here in the South,that keep up with football, that know little or nothing about the Buckeye allegations, but everyone here in the South is familiar with Bama thing. It is all in the perspective from which you view the world. Many Bama fans feel that the press was unfair in their treatment with the probation and Coach Price firing.

    Being someone that keeps up with both, I see both sides. A reporter that can bring a Bama or Ohio State down can "earn his wings." That is very sad.

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